S4 E4: Feel your way to your goals in 2021! With Cathy Kamau


Hello, everyone, welcome back to refreshing the human with myself, Hannah Pillow. And this month, we are all about goal setting. And we this is a podcast about shared experiences and human connection and finding that line of humanity that I think we sometimes forget. Right. So Joining me today is Cathy is it Cathy Kamau? Hi, Cathy. Hi, how you doing?

Cathy  0:58 

Oh, Hannah

I’m alright, how are you?

Hannah  1:01 

I’m very well, thank you. And I’m really hoping that we can connect today and find similarities on goal setting. Cathy has some really interesting stories to share, about setting goals in her own life. I think we’ve all been at that place in our life where we had to overcome something or we had to figure something out. So I’m hoping that there’s a lot of people out there that will be able to connect to Cathy’s story. So hi, Cathy, would you like to introduce yourself to the guests?

Cathy  1:29 

Yes. Hello, my name is Cathy Kamau and I am a lifestyle coach. I’ve been doing this for the last two years. And my main mantra is that we as women, especially you can have it all you can have the the career you can have the happiness in life and find fulfillment in life, no matter what you are going through.

Hannah  1:55 

Yeah, I love that. Someone who can just be all and do all right. Yes, then, though, that was something that I actually I mentioned on another podcast, podcast when I was a little kid, I always imagined myself being the Superwoman, you know, with the Korea and the kids. Because I think as women growing up, we are often told that we have to choose, you know, we have to do that. I know I personally have been told that I have to choose my career count carefully, so that I can be a full time mom, and my career needs to revolve around that. That’s what I was told growing up.

Cathy  2:31 

And to know what that is not just growing up, I hear that even today. Even today when I’m struggling sometimes because y’all have struggles when I’m struggling in my career. And I’m also struggling to Joe to juggle my home life. Sometimes the advice I normally get from people is well, maybe you need to reduce your hours or find a different job or, you know, there’s always that the compromise but I’m always the stubborn saying, You know what, I can have it all I can have everything and also be fulfilled and happy and find joy and meaning in life. Yeah,

Hannah  3:04 

absolutely. And we are moving into that era where a woman can do anything a man can do. I mean, men are doing it, you know, men can bloody hell be house husbands, too, you know, and some of the men actually like that, you know,

Cathy  3:20 

hopefully Yeah, so I think we can find anywhere men there now sharing your maternity leave on day. So, for example, in your nine months on maternity leave, a woman can go back to work early and give the man some time to bond with a kid. So yeah, it’s a whole different era, I think.

Hannah  3:38 

Totally, totally different. So um, yeah, so Cathy, I see in your bio, you mentioned that you help people to unpack their baggage, right? Yeah. And I love that. It just gives me a visual, you know, like, everyone would like lots of baggage to unpack and all these emotions coming out. So if you had to tell the audience, what does that look like in practice to unpack your baggage? How do we unpack baggage.

Cathy  4:07 

So as we grow up, as we go on through life, I tend to think we pick up a lot of stuff in our conscious mind. And sometimes in our subconscious mind. That’s not our room. So we tend to pick up opinions of other people, we tend to go through sometimes traumatic experiences, it doesn’t have to be one experience that really shoots you. It’s just it could go as tiny as just an experience that was imprinted in your brain, which means sometimes you’re not able to move past that. So what I would say unpacking the baggage is facing yourself and being true and honest and facing inwards and asking yourself what’s preventing me to go into the next step of my life or where I want to be and then I’m putting That in picking that up and seeing where the fears lies, and where the shame or guilt, oh, there’s so many bags, so much baggage that a person can carry. And then just being kind to yourself and loving yourself enough to unpack it, and work through it and be, you know, leave the fulfilled life that you want to, of course, so

Hannah  5:20 

When we unpacking this baggage, right, say, for example, I’m sitting words, pick, I’m gonna pick something random here, say I’m sitting with a lot of shame in my life, right? Now, when I unpack the shame, where do I unpack it to? So I’m just picturing right unpacking my bag, when I unpack my bag, I take it out of my bag, and I put it in my closet. So when I’m unpacking the shame, what am I doing with it? Where’s it going?

Cathy  5:47 

That’s a very good question. And you know, what I tend to believe is that too, we as humans, what happens is, when we go through an experience, like for example, an experience that could have been labeled as a shameful experience, we tend to clench, and emotionally, so it’s kind of like closing your heart. So you don’t fully experience that shame. But then you always add as a protective way for brain to protect you from another experience like that, you tend to avoid anything related to that experience. So when you unpack the baggage, what you do, you actually, first of all, experience it from a very different perspective. So for example, if you were seven, and you went through something that made you feel shame, what I would say is that now you approach that perspective from the adult that you are, because as a model, there’s some things that you would have, you would see now that you wouldn’t have seen as a kid, because emotionally, you’re more mature, and there’s some logic that you wouldn’t have applied as a kid. So when you do that, you learn to actually let go of some of those things that made you clench and, and hold on to that shame. And then secondly, it’s actually feel allow yourself to feel the full extent of it. And I know this is beyond the norm, people say just let it go. And, but that’s, that’s, that’s the same as clenching and closing your heart and not letting it you you have to sit enough and be comfortable enough to sit with your feelings and let them go through your heart and let them fully fully feel that whatever was failing, and then you’re able to let it go and move on with life, because you’ve allowed yourself to kind of like strip off. What what was holding you back. Does that make sense? Oh, absolutely. So

Hannah  7:38 

what I’m hearing here is that when we unpacking our feelings, maybe it’s sitting in our emotions are sitting in our heart, we’re feeling it in Yeah, you know, we’re feeling it in a in an unprocessed manner, like you said, and we unpacking it, we want to connect it to what our mind is saying, and we want to, we want to process it, we want to think about it, we want to feel it. And we want to analyze it. So we’re not actually unpacking it like we’re unpacking a suitcase and taking it out. We’re just bringing it to the surface,

Cathy  8:09 

yes, you’re bringing it to the surface, and then not letting it continue to ruin your life. Not letting it continue to make you make different decisions. So it’s it’s letting it float through your your your your your conscious mind so you can see it or acknowledge it. And then whenever now you’re faced with a situation where you would have retracted and gone back to feeling shame, you will you will have it in your presence, which means you’ll say, Well, I’m reacting like this because this happened. But today, I’m going to make a different choice.

Hannah  8:47 

Sure. Okay. Great. Totally love that. agree with that. So I was I was just chatting to you earlier on. And we are all about goal setting this month. And you have a really interesting story about goals that you were just telling me about. Would you like to get into that here? Yeah,

Cathy  9:06 

yeah, sure. And I was saying that as a type A personality. I’m new. I’m not new to making goals. I think I’ve made since I was very little. But you use different approaches towards making goals. And one of the one I remember most was when I was changing my career. And and I had a baby, I was a single mom and I was on maternity leave and I was thinking about what to do next. And it that the way I probably use it more now the way I set that goal because I feel like I achieved more with it than I have with most of the things I’ve tried. So instead of just setting a goal was for me and goal can be it’s calling sounds cold. It’s like I’m setting a goal. And I was saying about how one of my favorite motivational speakers Zig Ziglar He said that you cannot, you can’t hit, you will miss or you are designed to Miss 100% of the targets that you have not set. Because if you think about it, even if you are thinking of a ship that’s leaving the dock, if it has no destination, there is no way it’s going to go anyway, it’s just gonna go around the Atlantic or whatever ocean it’s going around. So you do need to set a destination to go to and that’s the definition of a goal. So what I did is I decided to set a destination. And for me, that was to get a job where I would be able to work nine to five, but also be a flexible enough to work from home and, you know, take care of my child as well. And so, what I did at that time is I broke it down in terms of that dismissal. So that was a destination I wanted to, but there were steps to get to that destination. Because I think one of the mistakes that we make is that you set the goal, and then you leave it lying there in a cupboard until next year, where you think, Oh, I didn’t set a goal. And you you know, you don’t hit it at all. So I had a destination. But I needed to have steps of how to get to that destination, did I need a new qualification? Did I need to get trained in by a different person, what jobs were out there, and what could I do every day to make myself more viable to be able to hit the ground running when I came off maternity leave. So that’s one of the things I realized. But the second thing also is about the comfort zone, if you think about any particular goal, any goal that you set, you are setting something outside of your comfort zone. Otherwise, he wouldn’t be as though it wouldn’t be a goal. Think about it. If you have, for example, if you want to lose weight, you, you, you would have to get out of your comfort zone, you would have to eat the right foods or exercise a bit more than you do in order to achieve that goal or that destination. So for me, it’s learning that when I set a goal, I am setting myself to get out of my comfort zone. And if you think about the definition of a goal, and I’ll go back to my story, it’s basically setting an intention and applying enough wheel to that and intention to get out of your comfort zone in order to achieve whatever you want to achieve. So for me during that time, because I was busy during the day, and I had to retrain and do project management courses. So what I did is I decided to get myself a a what is a timetable, I would say. So I would wake up in the morning. And every day I would work towards that final destination and I had different milestones to get there, you can tell that I’m a project manager because I had different milestones to get to that goal. But I decided that I was going to ensure that every day I worked, even if it was 30 minutes towards that goal, whether it was doing the project management calls, whether it was going to a a meeting where I could socialize with people in the same field as I did. So that’s exactly what I did. I applied myself every day, using the small steps that I had listed before, when I set the goal. And finally, by the end of it, when I found myself in an interview, I found myself that I was able to one explain myself very freely, I was experienced enough in that field, I had met enough people in that field to have connections. So I ended up having an amazing job that I was able to then juggle and you know, spend time with my child and juggle everything that comes with motherhood and working and yeah, so for me, I’m very proud of that moment.

Hannah  14:04 

Oh, definitely. You should be how long did it take you to go from the start to getting your first job as a project manager?

Cathy  14:15 

Um, say about six months?

Hannah  14:17 

Wow, that’s not that long.

Cathy  14:19 

Yeah, I would say about six months. But you see, it’s, it’s, it’s when you really, you’ve got to record it as well. You’ve got to make sure that Okay, I have a destination but what steps Am I taking to get to that? And sometimes you can achieve your goals way faster than obviously, people think that you can.

Hannah  14:38 

I love that. Yeah. And I like like earlier you mentioned that there’s no one way to achieve your goals. There’s it there’s different ways for different people and you mentioned that you are a type A personality. Can you explain to the audience what a type A personality is?

Cathy  14:55 

Basically, it’s a person who tries to overachieve And trust me that comes with its own baggage. Yes. Which I have unpacked and still unpacking and but a Type A personalities an overachiever, the go getter the person that just, you know, they don’t stop, they are on to the next thing on to the next thing. Sure.

Hannah  15:16 

So, um, we spoke a lot about unpacking our baggage. And you gave a really cool story about achieving one of your goals. How do you think the to align? How do you think unpacking our baggage can align with setting and achieving goals

Cathy  15:31 

are they go hand in hand, they definitely go hand in hand. Because every time you’re setting your goal, like I mentioned, you’re coming out of your comfort zone. And your comfort zone is nice. That’s why it’s called a comfort zone. It’s nice, it’s chill you, you get to do everything there. Now when you’re telling me to get out of my comfort zone, like for example, I used to hate, absolutely hate completely going out and socializing, especially for work purposes. Networking, networking is my pet peeve. So then I for me, I knew for my career, I definitely needed to network there’s no way I could I could achieve a law. But then I thought, right. Why do I not like networking? Now that was me unpacking my baggage, like What about? So my goal, for example, in that case, was to be able to go comfortably and network without sweating, or feeling uncomfortable, or just sitting in the corner and having a cup of tea, which I have done before. And so I started unpacking that baggage and started asking myself when I set that goal, I started asking myself, why do I not like networking? What is it about me and I found out that I was very shy. And I didn’t like making small talk. And I felt really insecure about just looking at another person in the eye and telling them about my life and asking them, you know, for me, it was there was something about that, that made me so uncomfortable. And I had to sit down with myself and ask, Where did this come? From? what point did they decide in my entire life between zero to my age? Now what point did I decide? Right? talking to strangers is not a fun thing. Because that was my brains mechanism of trying to protect me from that because for some reason my brain so it is danger, hence the sweating, hence the the adrenaline kicking in. So once I sat down and unpacked it and found out that it came from, like, for example, in school where people who, because I grew up in a different culture, like yourself and a different country as well. But for me, people in authority in my culture was seen as you know, they are better than anybody who wasn’t in authority. Yeah. As a child, for example, a teacher was way better than me. So I couldn’t really and children were to be seen and not heard. So I developed this personality where even at work where if I had a boss or somebody who was senior than me, I would hide myself, I would get out of the way. But so then working towards me, I’ll change directions, because it is something that I learned is their senior therefore I am not even allowed in any proximity of them. So once I upon I impact that from the adult perspective, I realized that Well, that was a different culture, then it’s different now. And from all the work I’ve done about getting gaining confidence and high self esteem, and learn that you know what, I’m the same. And there’s so many there’s so much value I can provide even, because if you think about networking, you meet people who are senior VPS of accompany and you know, oh my god, how can I, but then I thought I can give them a perspective. I can listen, listening is very good. So after I unpacked all of that, I then decided to delve out of my comfort zone. And boy was that scary, because the sweating didn’t just stop because I set a destination or a goal. And they you know, their summary didn’t stop when they met somebody to talk to them. But I ended up going to a lot of em to a lot of networking events. And now I’m comfortable doing that now I’m comfortable having that conversation with anybody I can talk to any seat from senior to junior, I’m comfortable doing that by made me get out of my comfort zone and unpack that baggage that came with it as well.

Hannah  19:41 

Yeah, that’s a great visual example of how baggage and goal setting can sell a line. I’ve never thought about it that way myself when it comes to setting goals. But it’s so true, isn’t it? Yeah. Yeah, I love that. But let’s talk a little bit more about the technical side. Goal setting because I know like the audience is really looking for some action points that they can take on, and what they can actually do. So we are in into the new year, as this episode will come out in January. So yeah, we are into the new year. And, you know, in this time everyone is Well, firstly, we are most people are feeling deflated from 2020. Because 2020 was shirt. And you know, we feeling maybe unmotivated deflated? Yes. What can we do with our new year goals? Because this is the time everyone’s like, Oh, I’m gonna lose 10 kgs, I’m gonna run a marathon, I’m going to start a new career. What can we do? What steps can we take to start ensuring we are creating sustainable goals, not just New Year’s goals that are going to crash and burn in February,

Cathy  20:55 

then those Yes, well done those, there are some goals where I have set and then never went back to them. But the first thing I would say in that case is, first of all, it’s not just setting a goal, it’s setting an intention. Remember, we say that goal is an intention that you apply will to to get out of your comfort zone. So for me, it’s setting that intention and actually writing it down. Because there is something about taking pen to paper and writing something down. And is not saying lose 10 kgs. That’s not a sustainable goal, as you’d like to call it, because who’s losing 10 kgs? Why when why, what

Hannah  21:36 

10 kgs of what 10 kg.

Cathy  21:41 

Exactly, there’s so many variations to that. So for me, the way I would write, for example, that goal down I would say is that I intend to become more healthy, by losing 10 kgs of weight between this time and this time, and I will do so by and then you list down all the things that you will do. So I will eliminate fatty foods, I will an hour exercise, I’ll eat more salads, I’ll reduce my carb intake. I’m not a dietitian, so but what I would say was abdominal saw weight loss goal as well. But that’s the same thing I applied. So you first write it down, but write it as an intention, not just a loose engages, write it as an intention, and then list the things that are required for you to get there. And the most important thing I think for this is also think about what kind of person do I need to become, to be that knew to be that goal for that goal to be achieved. So you can achieve the goal again, it’s out of the confident you can achieve any goal by being the same person, think about it, there’s something about you that needs to change in order to achieve that goal. So for example, if you’re losing the tank ages, what kind of person do you need to do, we need to be more conscious of what you’re eating, you need to be more healthy, you need to be more active in your life. So that’s a that’s a cup. So instead of when you’re writing down the things or the steps that you need to take, think about what kind of person do I need to be in order to achieve that?

Hannah  23:23 

So it’s a mindset thing then as well, right?

Cathy  23:25 

Yeah, exactly. And, and the second thing is, once you write down your intention, and the kind of person you need to do, you need people don’t do this. People skip over this step, you need to apply enough emotion and enough visualization of visual state as to your goal in order to achieve it. So the way I look at it, there’s three types of people when it comes to goal setting. There’s the drifter, who never sets goals, then they they like a balloon, you know, they just go where the flow of life takes them. good wishes. And then these they do, who I think is like the type A personality they will go on, they’ll do what they need to be out of pressure.

Hannah  24:13 

That one right.

Cathy  24:15 

Pressure in that one? Yes, agreed. And they do tend to be very self critical of themselves, because if they don’t hit it, they see it as a failure. And then so there’s a drifter, this the doula and these just the, the other person I forget the name of names. But the third one, they tend to be kind of an in between of the two on the drifter. So they’ll do something for a little bit and then they’ll stop because they’ve lost interest have they forgotten or whatever. So writing it down, and thinking about the person you need to become is important, but also visualizing that person or visualizing the emotion that that person will feel is very important because Then you you’ve attached enough, if you anything, if you attach enough emotion to it, you tend to remember it. And think about even our past traumas is because there’s enough emotion attached to something that we’re able to remember it vividly, for sure. So we can do the same thing to goals, you have to just set enough emotion and visualization towards the person who you, you want to be in order to achieve that goal. So you can achieve that goal. So for example, if you want to be out of debt is that that’s your 2021 goal. What What does that person feel when they are out of debt? You know, because when you’re in debt you are you feel like, everything is crushing? And you know, you don’t have enough? How does that person feel? Do they feel freedom? Do they feel like they can? They can they have more money at the end of the month? How does that fit and if you connect to that emotion, then trust me, you’ll be able to push harder towards that goal. Because what happens when you set your goal, your subconscious mind is like, Nah, I don’t like getting out of my comfort zone, I’m gonna be here. So I’m gonna do everything in my power to trip you up, because I want to get out of my comfort zone. For you to apply enough oil to be able to get out of that comfort zone, you need to be able to have a strong vision and a strong emotion attached to that vision.

Hannah  26:24 

So it’s almost like we’re using that emotion as a motivation. So it’s like, oh, I’m going to feel so much more lighter and happier and energetic if I lose 10 kgs. As I think also what we can also think about is what we’re feeling right now when we not at the goal, and what we will feel when we are at the goal. And that that could also create a very strong visual for us and very strong motivation for us, right,

Cathy  26:51 

actually. And yeah, you basically saved my my last point, which is making choices. And this is something I do every day before I get out of bed every morning, I have to think about I normally have seven choices that I I choose. So these are the things I want to achieve their call choices or goals or intentions wherever you want to call them. But before you get out of bed every day, you need to remind your brain and tell it right so I need to lose 10 cages I’ll probably have lost and say now it’s nine kg see you it’s February and you’ve lost one kg of

Hannah  27:25 


Cathy  27:26 

Progress. Yeah. So you need to think about Okay, so this is where I am, I am nine kgs overweight, so I need to lose nine kgs? And what do I need to do to get there? Today I’m going to do 1234 and then you attach that to the emotion what emotion Am I gonna feel when I achieved my goal. So every day you make that choice you go from where I am, to where I want to be, and then think about the emotion you’ll feel as you go through that journey.

Hannah  27:55 

I love that I love using our emotions as a way to motivate us, that’s a very positive way of looking at our emotions and using it as a driving force. That’s really cool. I also just wanted to say to the audience that these are all personal experiences and your your, you know, it’s not exactly advice that we can give you. But it is something you could try. And if it works for you, that’s great. But it’s not, you know, sometimes we do need a coach or lifestyle coach or a mentor, or someone who knows us personally, to be able to help us design our goals for us. But these are great ideas to discuss. And if you want to try them, try them if they don’t work for you. That’s okay. Try something else.

Cathy  28:45 

It’s true. And you know what, and that’s that’s a very good point. Because when it comes to goal setting, and everything, I think most importantly is about self love. It’s about knowing that you are human refreshingly human. And it’s loving yourself through the process. And whenever you trip up, and it’s allowing yourself to trip up. And in getting up again, that’s the most important thing. So if something doesn’t work, all you have to do is adjust it to what you you as a person feel most comfortable with.

Hannah  29:19 

Absolutely, yeah, totally. Because like, I think for me, personally, I am a bit. I am very goal driven myself. And I do agree with a lot of what you said, but some of the things I think wouldn’t work for me as a person because well, I think I’m very much more I don’t think I would use my emotions to to motivate me. Just because I kind of I have other motivations by Sofia. But it’s a great theory, and it’s a great idea and I’m sure it will work for a lot of people. I just think that maybe for me personally it’s not my way doing it. But that’s why I think it’s important for us to know ourselves or to get to know ourselves to know what works for us. And if we don’t try something, we’ll never know if it works, right.

Cathy  30:11 

Yes, Yes, that’s true. That’s true. If you look at any, like, for example, you mentioned, I don’t know, if you’re willing to share any motivation for you go.

Hannah  30:21 

Yeah. Um, this is a good question. What, what motivates me and I think it’s just self fulfillment for me. I think for me, like, like, I have a lot of my audience notice I have actually lost 25 kilograms on my own. And yeah, and for me, it’s just that I guess you could actually say it was emotions, because it’s kind of like, self fulfilling prophecy that I, I did this, I’m proud of myself. And it’s also for me, what motivates me is my belief in myself. And the fact that I know I can do it. And I spoke about this in a previous episode as well, where I had a friend who did it. And when I saw her doing it, it motivated me to do it. Because I was like, if she could do it, why can’t I, you know, I’ve seen it possibly happening yet. Now, I know it can happen. So I’m going to do it. And then it’s the same for my other goals. It’s kind of like, I look at other people to aspire me. And I’m like, Oh, I really, really like. So one of the people I look up to is Lilly Singh. She’s another Brown Girl, online who went from zero to bullions. You know, I love her. She’s like, I’ve got her book here on my shelf. I’ve read her books, like twice already. Wow. And I use her as a motivation in my life, because I’m like, if she could do it, why can’t I? You know, and and I guess that’s my motivation, is that seeing that things have been done, and that they are not impossible for me to keep going. And then when you do reach those little goals, you do you feel that sense of accomplishment and self fulfillment that I did this? Yes. Is my achievement. Yes, I guess for me, it’s kind of like, I guess the emotion of pride that motivates me.

Cathy  32:12 

Do you know what Yeah, it’s true. And you came back to emotion? Really? It’s, it’s, it’s what will you feel eventually, when you get that when you dream? You know, will you feel pride? Will you feel like, you know what,

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You know, I mean, yeah, I really like what she’s achieved. And when you listen to her stories, well, it’s not like she came from, you know, all these riches and stuff, works

Hannah  32:38 

for you hustle to work. And it’s so inspirational. And, you know, I used to be afraid, like you said, to step out of that comfort zone. Because it does, it takes hard work to get you from zero to not to wherever you want to be. And it is stepping out of your comfort zone. And I used to feel afraid of how hard people say you have to work because we want to be comfortable, right? We want to live comfortable lives. Um, but I have to say, like, from my personal experience, I think when you find something that you enjoy doing, the hard work doesn’t feel like work.

Cathy  33:17 


Hannah  33:18 

really doesn’t. It actually like even my day job, I love my day job so much to a job that actually gives me money, that when I come to Monday, now I have my my podcasting career and I’ve got my day job. And when it comes to Monday morning, I no longer feel that anxiety I used to feel about Monday mornings, because I actually love what I do on both Fridays, and I. And I wake up feeling motivated. And I wake up feeling happy for my day. And just like my to do list is like, do this, this, this and this. And at the end of the day, when I’ve done everything, I sit back and I’m like, energized, I don’t feel tired, I feel energized. I feel like I’ve accomplished something in that day. And like I’m moving towards a bigger picture.

Cathy  34:03 

That’s, that’s, that’s a very good point. I think I’ve heard of the same drill if you’ve heard of it, but it says, do what you love. And you’ll never have to work a day in your life of grace to think I used to think, What do you mean, but if you if you do what you love, you say Do you love your job? And then you won’t feel like it’s work for the rest of your life?

Hannah  34:27 

Yeah, but I think like they might be like, I think like it’s a long self journey to figuring out what it is you love. You know, it takes time. And even for me with the podcast, when I started doing it, I loved it. And I had a lot of passion for it. But I lacked the knowledge and yet then that lack of knowledge left me with a lot of anxiety. And I also didn’t believe in myself back then. Okay, so I stopped I stopped podcasting for eight months, because I lacked the knowledge and I lacked the self belief and when I think came back to it, I had gained a lot of knowledge. And I’ve, you know, I’ve, you know, I did my work. And I also went for public speaking classes as well, which I still is ongoing. So I did the self work I needed to. So when I came back, I had gotten a lot more confidence in myself. And I was able to restart this thing with the energy and the self belief I needed in the first place. So I think it’s definitely a journey to getting to that place where you can be like, Okay, this is what I love. I have the knowledge for this, I have the experience for this, and I have the belief in myself for this. And all those things connect to actually loving what you do.

Cathy  35:40 

And what you’ve just explained is how to set a goal 101 isn’t it? Getting the knowledge, the confidence and the belief in yourself that you can achieve something and then going for it?

Hannah  35:53 

Yeah, no, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, I guess there’s like a lot of things that go hand in hand with that, for sure.

Cathy  36:00 

Definitely. And I think you know, what, we set goals every day of our lives every day, if you if you get up, you set the intention to go to the bathroom and have a shower. And goal. If you think you know, anybody that says we don’t believe in goals, you see people set goals every day, and they achieve them. You know, if you’re, if you’ve had food, you’ve showered, you’ve gone to work, you’ve done something that you said you do like exercise, that’s a goal. Yeah, for sure. That’s

Hannah  36:30 

a good way of looking at it. Because I think that can also motivate you, right? So it’s like all the little things you’ve achieved to get you through your day even because some like a lot of people suffer with chronic anxiety or depression, and just getting through the day is a huge goal for them. So looking at those little things, like I got out of bed today, I showered today. I put on fresh clothes today. I fed myself, yeah, those little things that got you through the day, your goals and your accomplishments. And by the end of the day, you could be proud of them. I mean, like I said, some people getting just getting through that day is a big deal for them. Exactly. And they should be proud at the end of the day that they did that.

Cathy  37:13 

Exactly. And it’s also another point of rewarding yourself, when you hit those milestones. Just reward yourself a little, you know, give yourself a pat on the back. You know, don’t keep looking forward too much that you miss what you’ve achieved and you miss the present moment. It’s about enjoying the present moment, as well as setting your eyes to what you need to achieve. Oh, for sure,

Hannah  37:35 

definitely. Because I think that’s something that I learned with my weight loss journey is like when I reach where I wanted to be. All my life, I had this number in my head and I finally reached it. But then at that number, I was still not happy. And I was like trying to get even lower, but I think my my mind was fighting my body because I needed to take time I lost 25 kilos, I needed to take time to appreciate that. Yeah, calibrate that to enjoy the new wardrobe enjoy the new styles that I could wear. And then when I was ready, I could come back and be like, okay, we want to lose another two kilos. Let’s do this now. But I needed to appreciate where I was to be able to move forward.

Cathy  38:18 

Agreed. 100% agreed.

Hannah  38:22 

So yeah, like we did mention like we are in a we were in a stressful year 2021 is going to continue to be stressful, I’m sure. And we are all feeling a little bit deflated a little bit demotivated. What would your message be to the audience to help them get motivated for the new year to help them reignite the light inside of them for the new year? What What could you say to them? To me to yourself, right.

Cathy  38:53 

The first thing I would say to myself and to everyone is that we have been through one of the most difficult years, I think in the recent times, they’ve been very difficult years, let’s not you know, in the earlier times, but we’ve all been through such a hard deal where we had to come out of our comfort zone. And we had to learn to live differently than we used to. So congratulations, you have made it through and you’re back in 2021. So for me, that’s a huge achievement. Yeah.

I know when we were

celebrating Happy New Year 2020 and everyone had vision 2020 their goals? Nobody, nobody if somebody said yeah, no, that’s not gonna happen. It’s just gonna go way down. You’d have been like, I’m not motivated or you know, it would have been a different outcome. So we something was thrown at us and we’ve been able to continue being human through it all. So for me is a motivation for 2021 if you have something to achieve, and for me, my first mantra is always love yourself more. You You can always love yourself a little bit more. And don’t beat yourself up. If you don’t achieve something or you didn’t achieve something last year, this year is the start is the start of the rest of your life. And I know that’s cliche, but it’s true every day, every new day, wake up is the beginning of the rest of your life. So whatever you you’re looking to, or intending to achieve this year, or in the upcoming years, just go for it. Because you deserve it more. You deserve it. That’s, that’s the bottom line. You deserve it. And you can do it. So just believe in yourself and get into it.

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